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Leoruthion (#54021)
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 What do you want from anime??

I find endings in most anime are unsatisfing. I mean, the writers like to make you think at the end, which sometimes people don't want to do. I really like GTIS but the ending....... Im not really sure of an anime that satisfied me. I want to watch great, funny, romance and fantasy anime I ever watch. Any ideas?

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I watch to amuse myself, to remember past events in life, to escape from reality (just for a while), and a whole lot of other reasons.

Least of which is to see panty shots.
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I just wish that there are anime that can be watch with my valentine's date. It can be quite romantic. I read the thread " Has anime ever made you cry" I think there are people who cried before. Anime for valentine is must be very interesting Wink

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Well, you can check out the recommendations thread for a good one to watch with your valentine.
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Not all endings are unsatisfying! There are some I've watched that leave me with a wonderful FEEL GOOD feeling and you have to remember that a lot of stories can't possible have a conclusive ending, because the characters the story is based around will carry on with their lives once the chapter the viewer has just watched, is finished!!
If you want to watch something that is so conclusive that there is no way a continuation is possible, try out Texhonlyze Wink
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I watch Anime... "because"
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Re: What do you want from anime??

Leoruthion (#54021) wrote:
I find endings in most anime are unsatisfing. I mean, the writers like to make you think at the end, which sometimes people don't want to do. I really like GTIS but the ending....... Im not really sure of an anime that satisfied me. I want to watch great, funny, romance and fantasy anime I ever watch. Any ideas?


I guess I'm a total opposite to you. The main thing I want from anime is for it to make me think, challenge me on the intellectual level, so to speak. If the ending of an anime does not make me think, I will usually find the whole anime unsatisfying.

Some excellent anime endings in my opinion:
- Neon Genesis Evangelion (both the series and the movie)
- Berserk
- GitS & GitS 2: Innocence

There are only a few anime series I watch simply for entertainment, and I consider only a very few of those good anime (Azumanga Daioh comes to mind as an example).

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In general, I want to be entertained.

Some series I want to get involved. I want it to expand on a world that isn't possible. Take a supposition "What if..." and expand on it. This is the same reason that I read sci-fi and fantasy.

Some series, I want to see the characters. To watch as they become people that I can almost feel like I know. To go through their problems, and not mine for a while, which is I guess to escape reality for a bit.

Panty shots... LOL! No, I don't watch anime for the fanservice. While I'll admit that I find many of the female character designs appealing, some of them disturbingly so, I don't really need to see their undergarments. In many cases I find the fanservice moments to be artificial, and a disruption of the story. For the other cases, I guess it could be categorised as a "guilty pleasure."

Another part of the reason that I watch anime is for insights into Japanese culture. Even if the story takes place in a fantasy world, some of the perspectives and assumptions made by the writer come along with it. I find it interesting to see those parts that enter into the story. Actually, in a way, I think the panty shots are a part of that aspect as well. Very Happy
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Most romance anime always end up in a good way. I haven't watch romance anime with sad endings.. I mean in cruel way. I don't like happy ever after romance anime..... Mad

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I want a romance anime with no happy endings... Laughing

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Leoruthion (#54021) wrote:
I want a romance anime with no happy endings... Laughing


The recommendations thread will tell you where to look for one. Wink
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Why? Why not?

Sheer escapism, to laugh, to cry, to live vicarously, to be scared and frightened, to be saved. To be romanced, to be reasured that there are sillier men around than that idiot boyfriend. To hope. To learn, to think, to fight, to discover.

Did I miss anything?

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Any anime with no male character?? Sad

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Well, opposed to others here, I want sad endings.
Those endings make me remember the animes in a much deeper way, than the happy ones.

The happy ones dont really make me feel anything, it just feels like every other movie.
But those that make me cry, makes me think, makes me feel.

Grave of the fireflies is by far my favorite anime because it moved me so much.
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Ken Hayashi (#52012) wrote:
I watch to amuse myself, to remember past events in life, to escape from reality (just for a while), and a whole lot of other reasons.

Least of which is to see panty shots.


But it's still a reason :yawinkle:
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CakeOrDeath (#86677) wrote:
Ken Hayashi (#52012) wrote:
I watch to amuse myself, to remember past events in life, to escape from reality (just for a while), and a whole lot of other reasons.

Least of which is to see panty shots.


But it's still a reason :yawinkle:


Ah, you got me there. Wink
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I watch anime, because television sucks. A good anime has everything: Humor, action, suspence, impact and panty shots. Rolling Eyes

Indeed Berserk ended fine, but my favourite last Ep is Under the Sky so Blue from Trigun. Magnificent! The FMA movie is very satisfying as well.

But back ontopic. My main reason to watch anime lately is to be entertained and to find nice screenshots, from which I can make fanart. See my topic Anime/Game fanart for the fanart.Wink I also like to share opinions about the latest eps of Bleach / Naruto with a nephew of mine.
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I watch anime for entertainment, so I'll watch just about anything.

The best for me are ones with character depth and a great story. Also I learn alot about Japanese culture. You don't get that from TV in the US. I prefer animation to live action.

Comedic fasnservice and shows that make you cry in happiness are a real plus!

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i watch anime to hear stories, just like a book or a story from a friend, anime itself has a way of expressing its own story... probably why my favorite genre is romance
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I watch anime because it distinguishes itself apart from the rest of the animated world. Anime has given us different genres for people with different tastes. This is the main reason I watch anime because of its diversity and maturity compared to american cartoons. Another reason is that the styles of animation are intriguing that every different character and background design fits the whole perspective of the story. Anime also brings a new spice to reused plots and gives the plot a more different perspective than the western counterpart. Last but not least it's fun. Very Happy Anime is there to entertain and it shows.

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I think american realised the their animation is not as good as japanese animation. Now they try join venture with japanese to make their own animation. I think it is a good start. Hope american animation can remake into anime. Razz

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Knowing the friggin americans they will only butcher and beat to death the only thing that makes anime well... anime heh the damn americans kill ANYTHING thats based like anime, only 1 sucess in my book... teen titans, and that still isnt that closely bound to anime. i say keep anime at its roots, IN JAPAN
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Personally, I don't think it matters what the Americans do. If they produce "anime-like" animation it'll either be good or bad, but it will not affect anime coming from Japan. Japan does not make anime specifically for export, they make it for Japanese audiences. If the American animation gets good enough that they want to re-dub it in Japanese, that might be one thing, but in that case, wouldn't that indicate that it's at least as good as what they would want to produce? I'd expect that they'd hire the same seiyuu as they do for their own anime.

Japanese anime isn't going to stop just because other places change their animation style. If North American animation gets better then I see that as a win-win situation. Particularly if North American animation can start to attract an older audience, so that animation can be accepted as more than just a kid's media by the mainstream population. To my eyes that can only increase anime's popularity, meaning greater volume sales of DVDs and/or manga, which will in turn allow the companies bringing it over to make greater profits with lower prices.

Bck to topic:

I watch anime primarily for entertainment. I enjoy the storylines, which are more in-depth than the average production. I also like sci-fi/fantasy, which the anime genre is full of. Even stories that are primarily something else usually have some of these elements to them. Oh yeah, and for comedy, I like funny where they don't have to add a laugh track to tell you when they've cracked a joke. Laugh tracks in comedies seem somehow insulting.

The character designs are also appealing, which makes it fun to watch. The exaggerated expressions and actions add comic relief.

I also enjoy the little titbits of Japanese culture that I get through the storylines. Some of the little things that the writers and animators may not even be doing deliberately as Japanese culture, but simply because that's what they would see as normal.
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Nuhsshun Takamoto and SupraGuy: You couldnt have said it better. Teen Titans is the only American 'Anime' I really like, but it does feel like the US is stealing anime.

Actually, Hollywood is the studio that made the world meet animation. We should be thankful.Smile

And we all want anime to be more popular and less expensive, I give you that.Smile
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I watch anime for entertainment. I particularly like anime because of much of it is built on longer relationships, or epic fights... so it allows me to get more into the series. Even if some animes are episodic, those animes that have either 1) a cool central personality or 2) some character change

If american cartoons had any of these attributes, I wouldn't mind watching. Also, I find English to be a really yucky sounding language... so the whole japanese "exotic" appeal is prettyi nteresting too
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Good question. I guess I've never really thoguth about it. I want well.. girls, action, I look at alot more but the only person that can supply that is Ken Akamatsu.

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Leoruthion (#54021) wrote:
I think american realised the their animation is not as good as japanese animation. Now they try join venture with japanese to make their own animation. I think it is a good start. Hope american animation can remake into anime. Razz


If they try to pull out a remake of exactly the kind of anime that Japan airs its most likely that Shun said they'll butcher it and still make it an equivalent to kids shows like Pokemon. But there are exceptions to the American kiddie shows. Tons of adult shows are on Adult Swim for example. Without that US will probably still think that animation is for children mentality. I agree Teen Titans did a pretty good job handling Japanese animation maybe because most of the staff are Japanese.
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I hope all animation developers can bring up their animation. I like superheroes animation like Justice League....

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Leoruthion (#54021) wrote:
I hope all animation developers can bring up their animation. I like superheroes animation like Justice League....

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Superhero cartoons used to appeal, but I was much younger then. The only superhero cartoons even mildly entertaining to me these days are the comic spoofs, like the one with that "I am Valhallan, the mighty god of rock!"

The main thing now which is lacking in American cartoons is that the target audience is obviously young kids. Cartoon-violence and action-excitement is what they give. There just isn't any drama in those cartoons.

Wait a minute, there is 1 exception. Transformers The Movie. The one where Optimus [spoiler:5782f42975]kicks the bucket.[/spoiler:5782f42975] This may be the one cartoon I still like to see as an adult.

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I watch anime mainly to entertain myself and let me escape from reality a bit. What makes it appealing to me is different though.

Its appealing to me because I'm stuck somewhere between being an adult and being a kid. Anime appeals to the adult side of me by having such complex plot lines and character development paired with stories that really make you think. It also appeals the to childish side of me by being so incredibly imaginative, anything can happen in an anime.

Many forms of media appeal to one side or the other. But very few appeal to both.

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I mainly watch anime for entertainment and to laugh Very Happy Just to kinda help me relax and cheer me up Very Happy
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Actually, the truth is, American animation tends to be higher quality than Japanese. It doesn't seem that way because anime have richer backgrounds and like to put the digital effects out in front. But the cell animation is usually inferior, and the frame-rate is much lower. In fact, the quality of cell animation in anime is overall lower than it was 10-15 years ago, and it was probably never quite as good as the top-of-the-line American cartoons.

I mean, seriously, if you watch a good JLA fight, it's really something to see how the animators work out all the anatomical stuff to make fights really intricate and never quite the same thing. Also, when people move, much, much less use of stills and no speed lines or "hand cam" tricks to simulate movement. It's all there.

What's great about anime production is really the way a director has to use jump cuts, pans, close-ups to midrange to master shots and visual effects in order to create a sense of motion when very little is actually "changing" in a scene. For example, if you break down one particular fight in the Kenshin TV show (widely considered one of the best animated melees in anime), it's really about the extreme density and variety of cuts the director makes in order to make the sequence fly by you. Very little actually involves the two characters trading blows, but it doesn't seem that way because the director does a glorious job of outlining a visual narrative of anticipation and reaction. And becayse the cuts he makes vary greatly (like you make get a closeup of an eye, then a charging shot with flashing background, then a shot of an looker, then a wall, etc. within 2 seconds) Which isn't really done as well in American animation because they don't have to.

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Well, opposed to others here, I want sad endings.


Then you should definitely watch One Piece. All of it. I forced myself to watch that and I just cried and cried . . . Very Happy
Since I usually watch commercial releases, I tend to live with a show for 6-12 months. So if there's a sad ending, it REALLY sticks with me for well over a week or two. And even if the show has a short run, sometimes you get sucker punched.
Most directors (well except Hideaki Anno Very Happy ) usually concieve the beginning and ending before they work out the episode sturcture for the show. The issue usually is the length of the show.

If you have a 13-16 episode run, arguably the best medium for a director and what's often used with Japanese/Korean TV (albeit with 1-hour episodes), you can adapt a short novel or a story arc from a graphic novel and scale properly against a consistent theme. It's easier to write an ending this way because you haven't introduced too many characters and you've kept to at most one plot twist to resolve. In other words, you can pretty much wrap up all the loose ends and such within a 2-episode ending arc. Most importantly, you can direct the ending that you really want because the 13-16 episodes is just long enough to develop a core theme, but not too long to get lazy and throw stuff at the board.
My favorite example is Haibane Renmei. The director knew exactly what he wanted to say and was able to lay it out beautifully through the first 14-15 episode of the show. When it came to the ending, he really hones in on the narrative and visual themes and goes for a big dramatic push that feels earned. His ending therefore was clear, original, and deeply moving.

Now, if you have a 34-50 episode run, arguably the best medium for a writer, it's a completely different situation. You are probably adapting from a manga series, a set of proper novels, a franchise, etc. And in that case, a good ending is really about pacing and knowing when to start the denoument. Even if the lead-up stuff was crap, proper time to work out the ending can immediately redeem a show.

Favorite "sort of" recent example of this was Gundam Seed. The show may lack originality, the political depth of previous Gundam, have big plot holes in its story arcs, and a couple of male-female misfires, but its ending runs a glorious 5 episodes. It has the dramatic craftsmanship one would hope (but rarely see) from a franchise, and its sheer melodrama and pageantry elevate the previous 46 episodes of the show. I mean, my heart was stuck to my throat for 2 hours. Moreover, because they more or less resolved the principal character conflict well before the ending, they took their sweet time tying the rest of the mysteries and hightening the tension within the story itself. It is as good as you can expect from a long-running series.

So, what we're looking here are two different expectations.

In the shorter example, what I evaluate are the messages from the director and his ability to arrive at that message, be it from a sense of narrative or visual style, or from the storyline itself. It's not *that* important to me whether there are plot holes or whether even the end of story is not emotionally satisfying. It's not that important to me whether I even agree with the director. Rather, I'm looking for either a complete character study (i.e. Koi Kaze) or a completely realized conclusion to a set of ideas (Paranoia Agent.) In other words, the director is writing me an essay, and I want him to finish it.
Whereas in a longer case, I'm first looking for dramatic satisfaction. I want the series to entertain me, to move me, to make me thankful of the ride he took me. In that regard, it's not quite as important whether the director has anything unique or specific to say, or if he worked out an artier orginal ending. Like any good television, I just want a good summing up of the whole shebang, for everything to peak right at the end. A great series kinda puts you into a tizzy of either adventure (Kenshin) or great romantic proportion (Hana Yori Dango) and then sends you flying (12 Kingdoms) at the end. You should feel a little tired, maybe very sad, but almost changed by having "lived" with the show and almost released back into the real world.

The problem for me is those expectations with the 26-episode format. Writing an ending for the 26 episode format is toughest of all, because you pretty much have to nail it on both dramatic and "auteur" fronts in order to be remembered as having a great ending. And even then, because everybody enjoys this format in different proportions, only a subset of people will feel that way about the ending.
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I watch anime for the entertainment and to laugh mostly. Its also so much easier to get into than american cartoons.
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Re: What do you want from anime??

Leoruthion (#54021) wrote:
I find endings in most anime are unsatisfing. I mean, the writers like to make you think at the end, which sometimes people don't want to do. I really like GTIS but the ending....... Im not really sure of an anime that satisfied me. I want to watch great, funny, romance and fantasy anime I ever watch. Any ideas?


the real morale delema is that if an anime satisfies you greatly you will be left unsatisfied wwhen it ends. yet if it doesnt satisfy then it might not even be watched till the end. This is why its hard to find a good anime,godforbid you get hooked on to a semi good anime that has many boring points but you know you cant let go even though it has another 100 episodes in the series. But after those episodes you become attached to the characters and do not want it to end leaving you with an empty alone feeling.

Its not uncommon to become amotionaly attached to characters in an anime because many people like myself watch alot of anime to escape the reality of our boring/depressing lives.
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When I'm watching anime what I want is a good and very detailed story with detailed characters that all have a purpose no extras, and I dont want a predictable story, I like lots of suspence
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I don't want anime to be too long. The story will be boring Neutral

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Leoruthion (#54021) wrote:
I don't want anime to be too long. The story will be boring Neutral

That's a bit of an assumption isn't it?!
You can't say that all long running anime is bound to be boring, the same as you can assume that all shorter series/OVAs, movie etc are bound to be interesting Confused
I personally prefer longer running series, as I find the shorter ones just don't last long enough (well da!). What I mean is, I like to have something to get my teeth into, something tasty that will keep me satisfied for a long time and not just a quick snack that's over in less than an evening or two, leaving me craving more (wow! that's a cool analogy Laughing ).
I usually get through anywhere between 8 and 14 episodes of anime a night, so on a good night (or rather a bad night, coz it means my 3 year old is refusing to go to bed!), I can watch a whole 13 episode series in one sitting - which is a rather expensive proceedure if that particular 13 episode anime boxset has just cost me £22.99 ($40) Sad
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Caireen (#65939) wrote:
Leoruthion (#54021) wrote:
I don't want anime to be too long. The story will be boring Neutral

That's a bit of an assumption isn't it?!
You can't say that all long running anime is bound to be boring, the same as you can assume that all shorter series/OVAs, movie etc are bound to be interesting Confused
I personally prefer longer running series, as I find the shorter ones just don't last long enough (well da!). What I mean is, I like to have something to get my teeth into, something tasty that will keep me satisfied for a long time and not just a quick snack that's over in less than an evening or two, leaving me craving more (wow! that's a cool analogy Laughing ).


Nice Analogy there.
You're definitely right, not all long running series are boring, actually, I find them more appealing (though they can be quite repetitive) because I get attach to the characters more. I only prefer short series whenever I watch on youtube.
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I don't know any long series anime that i felt not boring... I really need to dig for more anime.

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Leoruthion (#54021) wrote:
I don't know any long series anime that i felt not boring... I really need to dig for more anime.

Hikaru no Go *two thumbs up!*

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megumi24 (#104887) wrote:

You're definitely right, not all long running series are boring, actually, I find them more appealing (though they can be quite repetitive) because I get attach to the characters more. I only prefer short series whenever I watch on youtube.

My preference for longer running series has a lot to do with character profiling and interaction. If you watch a shorter series, you don't always get to know the characters and their histories, plus the story is usually too rushed for my liking.
There can be a lot of series with bad fillers that are boring, or watching what seems to be the same scenario over and over, but if the characters are good and the main plotline is good, I usually overlook any bad points, because the good far often outweighs the bad. I'm thinking Inuyasha here ^__^ A lot of people complain about the fillers etc and I can see where they're coming from, but to diss a perfectly decent anime because around 30 of the 167 episodes are bad fillers isn't very fair. Those bad episodes are made up for 10 fold by the rest of the show ^__^

Ch1pPy™ (#106014) wrote:

Hikaru no Go *two thumbs up!*

There are still loads of people who think watching kids and old farts playing Go is boring! I don't happen to be one of them, but my main reason for enjoying HNG is the wonderful characters - especially Sai ^__^

Leoruthion (#54021) wrote:
I don't know any long series anime that i felt not boring... I really need to dig for more anime.

Which long running series have you tried? and what exactly do you mean by long running?
For me I would have to say anything past 50 episodes is long running, but a lot of people class anything above 26 as long running. Plus I suppose it depends if you lump something all together or look at it seperately. Take Sailor Moon for instance; there are 200 episodes, but it's made up of 5 different series arcs and you could choose to only watch 1 or 2 of the arcs, or like I often do and watch all 200 episodes in one sitting Laughing Yu Yu Hakusho is the same; it's made up of a few seperate arcs when clumped together make 112 episodes, but I can't say I found even one of those episodes boring ^__^
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Everyone have their own view. I think more than 26 episodes is long. It depends on the anime itself. Fullmetal Alchemist is a good long series anime for me.

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Well 26 episodes is the average length because that means it'll run half a year. But I don't necessary think that any anime above 26 episodes is long because some series that have 26 episodes, each episode is only like 19 minuets not including the opening and ending theme, while some others could be 26 episodes and 24-25 minuets per episode without counting the opening and ending. Now that might not seem likemuch but if you add those minuets you can get an extra hour in all.
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