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SSJVejita1 (#58379)
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Thoughts on Saikano's ending *Spoilers* I was just wondering what everyone though about Shuuji's state of mind at the end of this anime. Was Chise really there with him? Or was the entire thing a hallucination? Could be either...the more I think about it the more i lean towards Chise being there with him.
***ONE MORE QUESTION!!! SUPER IMPORTANT!!!***
Please Please Please tell me why they did not end this anime with Shuuji humming that song he hummed when he was happy. Maybe show him sitting down with Chise curled up next to him humming that tune. That really would have lent to the "Last Love Song on This Little Planet" theme imho. Anyone agree?
Thanks for the discussion...sorry if i seem excited...just finished an awesome series
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 8:17 am
Caddberry (#27690)
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I threw in a spoiler tag in the subject of the thread that way people dont have to cover the spoilers.. If you dont know what I just said you can read the FAQ of the board and it should help you out.
Anyway, Welcome to the board!
It was a good series.. Well.. Decent series.. I cant really recall much about the end as i watched it long long ago.. Someone will probably be able to help you out though..
Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 2:16 am
Wil86 (#59561)
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Re: Thoughts on Saikano's ending *Spoilers* SSJVejita1 (#58379) wrote: I was just wondering what everyone though about Shuuji's state of mind at the end of this anime. Was Chise really there with him? Or was the entire thing a hallucination? Could be either...the more I think about it the more i lean towards Chise being there with him.
***ONE MORE QUESTION!!! SUPER IMPORTANT!!!***
Please Please Please tell me why they did not end this anime with Shuuji humming that song he hummed when he was happy. Maybe show him sitting down with Chise curled up next to him humming that tune. That really would have lent to the "Last Love Song on This Little Planet" theme imho. Anyone agree?
Thanks for the discussion...sorry if i seem excited...just finished an awesome series
Alright, what happens at the end is this, Chise shields Shuuji from the tidal wave so that he does not die, then Shuuji awakens after being knocked unconcious by a fraction of the force of the wave (most of the force is taken by Chise). He then uncovers Chise's mechanical robot body, which is obviously britten, which then breaks down and erodes away. But somehow, Chise's soul survived (That probably explains why she can't die??), so then Chise talks to Shuuji through his mind and tells him the only way they could be together again is through one body (Shuuji's), since Chise's body has been destroyed.
After Shuuji absorbs Chise into his body, Chise starts searching out all the memories of herself inside Shuuji's mind. She found out that there are so many memories of herself inside Shuuji, that she is able to re-create her body ONLY in Shuuji's mind. So when Shuuji was patting on nothing, it is because that is what WE see in reality, but Shuuji sees Chise, but that's when he is sort of in a "day dream" state.
No, the end of the world was NOT a hallucination, everything was covered in ash cuz of all the burning and destruction.
As for the last question, how would you know if the Saikano theme isn't the "last love song"?
Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:37 am
SkyDragon (#96111)
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I got a question about the ending. Since everything was turned into ash and the only person left was shuuji, what's the point of that? Wouldn't you rather die instead? I mean, even though in his mind he sees chise with him, what about REALITY? No one is going to survive by themselves with no food, no water.
Oh, and near the end we see suuji with chise making love. I got nothing against this, but when I first saw that, I'm thinking to myself, what the hell is going on. Why are people having sex outside naked when it is cold, and snowing. LOL. But overall, I never seen such an unique anime before. I really enjoyed it, and it was worth my time. n
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:26 am
nauXolo (#69311)
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well, for all you know Chise could have transferred her "ultimate weaponess" into him allowing him to live forever...
but logically, yeah... there's no point in him being the only one surviving with no food and no sexual partner to continue the human species. but i guess shu will just have to live with Chise in his mind until he dies of dehydration... fun eh
Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:35 pm
Denis (#104859)
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you know...if you are christian or ortadox you could just say he went to heaven....over done...lol.....i think of it that way...that life with chise is heaven....this why i don't get confused
Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 1:17 am
Caddberry (#27690)
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Denis (#104859) wrote: you know...if you are christian or ortadox you could just say he went to heaven....over done...lol.....i think of it that way...that life with chise is heaven....this why i don't get confused
Did you read Wil86's post?
Her soul didn't go anywhere according to that thought, but I can't really remember.. However.. I highly doubt that the creators thought of heaven as an option as Christianity is a very minority religion in Japan..
Well then again.. I guess if you want to believe it you're free to do so..
But what I got from it.. and I don't remember much was that her soul didn't move on.. It stayed Nearby Shuuji..
Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 6:14 am
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Caddberry (#27690) wrote: Her soul didn't go anywhere according to that thought, but I can't really remember.. However.. I highly doubt that the creators thought of heaven as an option as Christianity is a very minority religion in Japan..
While that is true, there is a lot of anime and games from Japan with Judeo-Christian influences.
Take Chrno Crusade. Can't get anymore obvious than that. Witch Hunter Robin also has elements of it, I think.
Anyone played the Sakura Taisen 1 game? The bad guy was Satan (as in Lucifer) and Ayane was an archangel.
Anyone played Xenosaga?
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 2:28 pm
leny (#121068)
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the end so from all of this hes going to live on with her till he dies from natural causes like no water and food?
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:57 pm
cranston (#84421)
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I would say that the ending is open-ended and that one could interpret it differently. However, as long as one can provide plausible reasons for ones opinion, it should be acceptable.
How long Shuji lives is up to you. Can he run out of food, water, and/or air? Possible. If he is awake, he could die within a couple of days.
However, I believe that he is asleep aboard the Chise weapons platform. Assuming that there is sufficient air and he is being fed intravenously, he could live decades.
Alternatively, he could be in cryo-sleep. In which case, he could last centuries.
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:55 am
isaac (#124697)
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I was just trying to find someone to discuss about the ending of saikano, i love that serie is my favorite cause i think its very human putting someone through extreme circumstances well i think that in the end shuji is agonizing and he's having the dream of death that he is going to live with chise till the end so i think that both are going to stay together till he dies, still if you are as romantic as me , then youll think that theire souls will still be together no matter where they are =)
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:41 am
cranston (#84421)
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I guess that interpretation is possible. However, I think most people would agree that there isn't any doubt that the world has ended, so Shuji is either already dead or at the instant of dying. That is, if you don't buy the cryo-sleep theory.
You also need to refer to the other thread
http://www.animenfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2693&start=40
as we discussed the ending in detail there as well. You'll find my interpretations there as well.
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 6:57 am
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This is one part the anime cocked up. You need to read the final volume of the manga, volume 7, to understand what is going in.
The proper ending is - Shuji does die in the physical sense. But...in some place neither defined as heaven, hell or Earth, Shuji awakens, protected by Chise's will. Not wanitng to face this weird, new eternity alone, Shuji uses all his will to bring Chise to where he is. It is a world based off of memories and what might have been. It's a world where only the two of them exist and that they ultimately fall in love. I think Shin Takashi, the creator, felt that after inflciting so much pain on his characters while they were alive, he decided that in a world that could be described as memories, perhaps even a higher plane of existence, the two of them find each other and they finally are able to love each other. I like to think that what Shin ultimately wanted to say to his readers is that despite the evils and cruelty in this world, that things honest and pure like love can live on beyond death.
Don't try to take too much out of the anime ending. It was too rushed and disregarded the message Shin was trying to send in this series. This isn't the first time Studio Gonzo went against what the author was trying to communicate to his/her readers. They have a tendency to warp a series too much.
My advice - read the manga. 7 beautiful volumes. It's much more detailed, more heartfelt, more painful, sexier, hotter, funnier, crueller, but most of all, definitely better.
Just remember - the alternate name for the series is The Last Love Song On This Little Planet. Shuji and Chise tried throughout life to fall in love. And in the end, even though it took death to achieve it, they did. Despite the horrors of what happened to their world, take their enduring love as the true message of Saikano. That was what Shin Takashi ultimately wanted to convey.
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:14 pm
Xhilaraxion (#127184)
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Re: Thoughts on Saikano's ending *Spoilers* SSJVejita1 (#58379) wrote: I was just wondering what everyone though about Shuuji's state of mind at the end of this anime. Was Chise really there with him? Or was the entire thing a hallucination? Could be either...the more I think about it the more i lean towards Chise being there with him.
***ONE MORE QUESTION!!! SUPER IMPORTANT!!!***
Please Please Please tell me why they did not end this anime with Shuuji humming that song he hummed when he was happy. Maybe show him sitting down with Chise curled up next to him humming that tune. That really would have lent to the "Last Love Song on This Little Planet" theme imho. Anyone agree?
Thanks for the discussion...sorry if i seem excited...just finished an awesome series
First i'm sorry but i disagree with you.
I think that the ending was a little bit stupid and really really bad. At first i started to see this anime because of Chise's power and stuffs ... but when i was near the last episode i asked to myself WTF?... the anime it's stupid and the end it's more stupid. It creates on you a lot of doubt and is worthless.
If you see Saikano is a little bit confusing... is the story of a dumb girl that fell in love with a "good looking guy"... he loves her but she's not free, he want sex with her and she want to have a baby but she can't ... it's just a teenager story :].
Talking about your question of the song. He maybe wasn't singing that song because it wasn't a "HAPPY ENDING" and he wasn't happy.
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:42 am
Stick (#5576)
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Re: Thoughts on Saikano's ending *Spoilers* Xhilaraxion (#127184) wrote: SSJVejita1 (#58379) wrote: I was just wondering what everyone though about Shuuji's state of mind at the end of this anime. Was Chise really there with him? Or was the entire thing a hallucination? Could be either...the more I think about it the more i lean towards Chise being there with him.
***ONE MORE QUESTION!!! SUPER IMPORTANT!!!***
Please Please Please tell me why they did not end this anime with Shuuji humming that song he hummed when he was happy. Maybe show him sitting down with Chise curled up next to him humming that tune. That really would have lent to the "Last Love Song on This Little Planet" theme imho. Anyone agree?
Thanks for the discussion...sorry if i seem excited...just finished an awesome series
First i'm sorry but i disagree with you.
I think that the ending was a little bit stupid and really really bad. At first i started to see this anime because of Chise's power and stuffs ... but when i was near the last episode i asked to myself WTF?... the anime it's stupid and the end it's more stupid. It creates on you a lot of doubt and is worthless.
If you see Saikano is a little bit confusing... is the story of a dumb girl that fell in love with a "good looking guy"... he loves her but she's not free, he want sex with her and she want to have a baby but she can't ... it's just a teenager story :].
Talking about your question of the song. He maybe wasn't singing that song because it wasn't a "HAPPY ENDING" and he wasn't happy.
welcome to the animenfo boards. The person you replied to probably won't reply to this since he hasn't been on in here in a long time, and the post was made in 2004.
Also, if you don't mind, could you please leave the size of your posts on normal? it's somewhat hard to read what you post.
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:55 am
Xhilaraxion (#127184)
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Re: Thoughts on Saikano's ending *Spoilers* Stick (#5576) wrote: Xhilaraxion (#127184) wrote: SSJVejita1 (#58379) wrote: I was just wondering what everyone though about Shuuji's state of mind at the end of this anime. Was Chise really there with him? Or was the entire thing a hallucination? Could be either...the more I think about it the more i lean towards Chise being there with him.
***ONE MORE QUESTION!!! SUPER IMPORTANT!!!***
Please Please Please tell me why they did not end this anime with Shuuji humming that song he hummed when he was happy. Maybe show him sitting down with Chise curled up next to him humming that tune. That really would have lent to the "Last Love Song on This Little Planet" theme imho. Anyone agree?
Thanks for the discussion...sorry if i seem excited...just finished an awesome series
First i'm sorry but i disagree with you.
I think that the ending was a little bit stupid and really really bad. At first i started to see this anime because of Chise's power and stuffs ... but when i was near the last episode i asked to myself WTF?... the anime it's stupid and the end it's more stupid. It creates on you a lot of doubt and is worthless.
If you see Saikano is a little bit confusing... is the story of a dumb girl that fell in love with a "good looking guy"... he loves her but she's not free, he want sex with her and she want to have a baby but she can't ... it's just a teenager story :].
Talking about your question of the song. He maybe wasn't singing that song because it wasn't a "HAPPY ENDING" and he wasn't happy.
welcome to the animenfo boards. The person you replied to probably won't reply to this since he hasn't been on in here in a long time, and the post was made in 2004.
Also, if you don't mind, could you please leave the size of your posts on normal? it's somewhat hard to read what you post.
No problem :], thanks for answer :]
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:14 am
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