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[Shinka (#128364)]

 More Code Geass? BIG SPOILERS INSIDE

[Annûniel (#90354)]

The story's finished... What else could they do with Code Geass?


I guess that's never stopped anyone before though.

[Daizengar (#99576)]

To really discuss the possibility of more CG, I think this thread needs a spoiler tag. But regardless, I'll spoiler my following response as appropriate.

I have a different interpretation of the ending to CGR2:

[Ken Hayashi (#52012)]

I have no comments since I haven't sen either of the earlier seasons. But I have a pretty good idea why they're doing another season. Making money. They'll milk the cow till it's dry, then move on.

[arunas (#125793)]

Well, I agree with Shinka. I liked "Code Geass" the way it ended. If Lulu will be shown as not dead, then I will hate that anime as well...

I think that "Code Geass" has already ended and Sunrise Studio should not ruin the anime for a couple bucks. I do not want "Code Geass" to turn into another "Death Note", where a great anime as prolonged too long, like Ken Hayashi said >> "to milk a cow", untill it turned into crap >> barely above average anime...

[Ken Hayashi (#52012)]

Looks like your wishes will not be granted. There are enough fanboys and girls out there who will slurp up every and any new season that comes out, regardless of the quality of the story.

Look at how they milked NGE. Look at the Pokemon phenom. All that crap that is out there. There is a reason for all that. A perfectly valid reason. They need to make this money to fund future productions. It certainly sucks that they chose to use CG as the instrument to make that money so we can have anime next year or the year after. Why couldn't they have chosen another title to extend with numerous pointless episodes and sell to TV stations and whatnot. Why not milk Pokemon or whatever kiddy anime and leave the rest alone?

Well, beats me. It's just the way it is. That's how the market works.

[Zeta Aspect (#108644)]

Personally, I think Code Geass ended perfectly. However, if the original creators think there is still something more to tell, then I will give them the benefit of the doubt. I think Sunrise and its Geass team have earned some faith. After all, they kept up the pace and quality through 50 whole episodes; if anyone can keep it going, it's them. I don't know how they'll do it, but there's a chance that they can.

If it's a disappointment, then it's a disappointment. We'll always have the first 50 episodes.

[Last Exile (#35342)]

Sunrise always overcook something. Everything after Cowboy Bebop has been overdone. If they dare do it with Code Geass, I'll curse the whole freaking studio with CANCER!

[Zefiris (#127560)]

I hated the ending of Code Geass so much that I often lose entire days sitting there and going over it in my head to see if I'm looking at it wrong but I'm not it was utterly awful, that being said:

[Daizengar (#99576)]

@ Zefris
By convention, survival of the fittest is the motto for antagonists while the good guys seek a world where the strong and the weak have equal chances at life. Shishio Makoto approves of your beliefs.

[LoStSouLs (#17272)]

i will tell you the secret behind that crane.

[Last Exile (#35342)]

That's exactly where I thought the crane came from! So bleeding obvious...Then again, most people were stupid enough to believe Nunnaly was killed in Episode 18 and had heart-attacks when she re-appeared in 22. ./facepalm.

[Zefiris (#127560)]

[LoStSouLs (#17272)]

[Daizengar (#99576)]

[Last Exile (#35342)]

@Lost: Of all the posts made on (the place I can't mention because you don't like me mentioning it because of a certain issue) from after 18 was broadcast to when 22 was, 3 out of 4 people thought Nunnally died in 18. I laughed my face off when they all looked like idiots after 22. Lot of people kept quiet after that. ^^ What can I say - most people don't like to think when watching anime, I guess. *sigh*

@Daizengar:

[Daizengar (#99576)]

@ Last

[Last Exile (#35342)]

Don't you mean Laughzaku/Failzaku? ^^

Nunnally's sub-manga would have worked if they made her a flying wheelchair girl.

[Veleon (#124559)]

I distinctly remember someone official from sunrise saying that

[Daizengar (#99576)]

@ Veleon

I think you are referring to the main writer Ichiro Okouchi. During an interview...

[Veleon (#124559)]

Ahh ok

[Last Exile (#35342)]

Sunrise have been using 'deus ex machina' as an ending for all of the last decade. Only title I can think of that they didn't was Cowboy Bebop and that was a West-oriented series.

[Daizengar (#99576)]

@ Veleon
To be fair...

[Last Exile (#35342)]

Well, to be fair, almost anything gets a sequel or a DVD extra.

Come to think of it...there's where they could lay on the surprise. They could do a DVD only extra, as is the standard these days. That's one way to guarantee sales.

[Daizengar (#99576)]

@ Last
Code Geass already got its sequel - R2

Also, I don't think R2 had a deus ex machina ending. Everybody saw it coming and was hardly a surprise. Or as Zefiris would like it, there was nothing to be solved in the first place:

[Veleon (#124559)]

[Katayoku_No_Tenshi (#130322)]

Woot! Another season. Call me a fanboy or whatever but as good as the first two seasons were you just don't want these things to come to an end. As long as there's an interesting enough plot I'm willing to watch. I did think Zefiris's idea of "smashing the state" as they say, would be okay but that would end up in some boring eternal cycle where some bad guy decides to overthrow everyone and become a supreme ruler, with the "hero" showing up soon after to liberate everyone etc.

[Last Exile (#35342)]

@Daizengar: I wasn't referring to Code Geass when I mentioned 'deus ex machina' endings. On the other hand, the start of R2 was 'deus ex machina'.

[Basaiken (#41941)]

God there's been so many interpretations of the ending its made my head spin . As far as I remember it the most feasible theory goes something like this

[LoStSouLs (#17272)]

[Ken Hayashi (#52012)]

Whoah! This thread is starting to turn into one big page of blanked off texts. I added a big spoiler warning tag up top. You guys needn't block off your posts now.

[Daizengar (#99576)]

@ Lost
You can actually see in your second caption that the driver has black hair. Then again black hair is really common so you can't tell who he is just by this. I never did know how to tell how old the driver is though.

As for CC nodding her head upwards, this is also a vague gesture that anything is possible. However I would like to analyze this hypothetically. If Lelouch is dead, the pink origami crane has to be a keepsake for CC in memory of Lelouch. So if CC was speaking to Lelouch, it would be far more natural to look at the crane rather than the crane wouldn't it?

@ Veleon
In Code Geass, nothing is really evident. The closest example would be in episode 1 of season 1, CC was shot in the head and killed by the Britanian soldiers but still came back to life later.

@ One-winged angel (Katayoku)
'The King must lead for his troops to follow' is indeed symbolical of the way how Lelouch operates as his plans are often simulated on a chessboard. However, even though the King has to move into a forward (otherwise dangerous) position, the King must not fall or the game is over. Now the context of 'game' I find the most fitting is to fulfill all your promises. Lelouch carried out his promise of creating a peaceful world when Nunnaly could see but he still hasn't fulfilled his promise to CC of making her smile/happy.

As for his sacrifice, he sacrificed his own identity (as Suzaku did), his life together with his sister and friends, and most importantly his mortality. I find death to be a cheap escape for Lelouch for the things he has done. To live on with the burden and guilt for eternity would be a much more suitable punishment for Lelouch.

@ Last
Yea the start to R2 was definitely deus ex machina.

[Veleon (#124559)]

If you say nothing is evident then there is no "big possibility" of

[arunas (#125793)]

@Daizengar

Interesting reasons ^_^. You sure analized it a lot (chess/king, crane and etc.).

I do see, that looking at the crane after the C.C. ending expression might be a sign of memory, but looking up in the sky it serves that purpose as well.

Well about the death as an easy escape, I think that it as a romantized point of view, otherwise all these mass murderers or other ppl. who got leathal injection for their actions, right about now would be working as public workers or something (you know, the ones that work to get money or shorten their sentence).

Anyways, as much as I remember, when CC got shot, soon afterwards she came back to life. So, unless when Lulu was stabbed and someone just snatched his body, run to the nearest sea and threw the body into the sea, people would have had noticed that he came back to life.

If the body were to be kept a bit longer (like in casual burial customs), people would have had noticed that either:

1. He is breathing(or chest motion)/the heart is beating or
2. The color of the skin/His body's temperature (when the body is washed/placed into the coffin or carried to be burned)

In any case, this ending is probably a self interpretive one, but, personally, I think that Lulu is dead.

[Rosepetals (#42525)]

Guys, I have a theory re: Lelouch's death.

Has anyone thought of the possibility that Lelouch actually might be dead, but it might be an identity issue that we're not thinking about?

Lelouch might not be "Lelouch" anymore, just like C.C. lost her true name. And from what I understand, C.C. didn't come back to life as quickly the first time that she "died" with the code, so I don't know if that plays a factor into it all. So while it might be true that Lelouch is dead, it doesn't necessarily mean the person is dead, yet his identity as such is.

[arunas (#125793)]

@rosepetals19

Might be, I can't remember the part the CC died for the first time and the time it took to resurect herself (I watched this anime long time ago).


But as I mentioned earlier, anyone can choose whatever they want to stand for Lulu's issue and nobody will be wrong or right.

Simply by saying that Lulu could have had used the geass beforehand on ppl. who handled his body to make them believe that Lulu is dead even when Lulu has revived himself, would also be a valid point in stating that Lulu is alive

Anyway, it's up to the people which ending they want to believe.

Personally, I like the ending where Lulu is dead. If Lulu would be shown as not dead, then probably what would happen next:

a. The ending of the 2nd season would be ruined.
b. There should have to be some kind of conflict to ignite the suspense, which will go against all 2nd season and especially its ending where nations were supposed to be at peace.
c. The new characters should be introduced.
d. The plot would have to be introduced that is non-repetetive + good suspense, otherwise it woud be boring to watch + remember the troubles with season 2 plot generation.
e. Mechas would probably evolve into super-robots

In the end, I am pesimistic towards season 3. I do not want this anime to be ruined.

[Daizengar (#99576)]

[Veleon (#124559)]

the pink crane could've simply been made by CC for her to remember lelouch by. Or that could be the start of her making 1000 of them so that her wish could come true. It could've been a time filler on the animes part. Who says Nunally had to make the crane? I could see Lelouch giving his crane to CC. His whole goal was to make a world for her to live in. She was his reason for everything. And when he knew that it would finally be completed he gives the crane to CC as his work is now done.

The series to me has less meaning for it's ending if lelouch is alive. By giving his life, he gives his most precious attribute so that nunally could live in a happy world. It speaks legions more if he had to die. By having a code he simply has to pretend to die and he'll really be fine later.

[Katayoku_No_Tenshi (#130322)]

@ rosepetals19: So....are you saying he used a fake/ double body? I'm not quite getting the interpretation here .

@ Daizengar: I think I've seen CC smile at some points throughout the series. As evidenced in the ending, she certainly appears to be a little fond of him. Also, while I think the idea of him living on with the guilt etc. would make for an interesting 3rd season (or OVA perhaps ) I don't think it's worse than death. True, he has nothing to live for having being torn away from all he holds precious and death might even be a release in a certain perspective. Were he alive it would eat at him but he doesnt seem the type to be weighed down by burdens. With Shirley for example, he tried to get payback and he certainly did seem obsessed with it. However, it's not like he spent numerous episodes on flashbacks and obvious expressions of pain. I think death is pretty fitting because being Lelouch, he will always try to find a way out. Being dead leaves him unable to affect the world and this is probably the most frustrating thing to a guy like him.

[Daizengar (#99576)]

@ Veleon
As I said, the series showed little to no connection between CC and origami cranes. It is possible that there might be off-screen instances that prove otherwise but it is hardly convincing. The crane is a poor representation of Lelouch.

Lelouch's whole goal in season 1 was to make a world for Nunnaly to live in and although it is still one of his main drive in R2, it is no longer the only one. He realized this point atop the school roof in the fireworks scene and even more evident when Nunnaly was revealed to be alive. If his main objective was to make Nunnaly happy, the last thing he would do was to get himself killed as Nunnaly already told him in season 1 that all she ever wanted was to be with her brother.

@ One-winged angel
Death is anticipated by Lelouch and it is a price he is willing to pay. In season 1, he nearly blew his own brain apart when CC tried to stop him from challenging Cornelia. 'Only the ones who are prepared to be shot are allowed to shoot' is also one of his mottoes throughout the series.

As for Lelouch cutting off his ties with the present world, this also works if he is immortal. Even though he keeps his life, he lost his identity as Lelouch Vi Britania and his alter ego Zero both at the same time.

[Rosepetals (#42525)]

[fnord (#129232)]

[arunas (#125793)]

@ fnord

Don't forget that it is also the matter of keeping a word.

I just remembered a scene (in that imaginary world) were Suzaku was about to chop up Lulu for killing Euphemia. At that time, I believe Lulu was something like this: "wait a minute, man, just give me some time to wrap up some stuff for Nanaly and I will give away my life (you can kill me)". I think that I got an impression of those 2 meeting along these lines.

I do not see Suzaku being cool by letting Lulu live, nor I see Lulu deprived to live (to be sneaky and to use such underhanded tacktics) so much that he would break that contract. The impression I got, is that Lulu was already prepared to be killed (to die) as a consequence of all the lives he took ("if you intend to shoot, be prepared to be shot as well").

[Daizengar (#99576)]

[fnord (#129232)]